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围棋的故事7.。。。。。。。
[版面: 原创文学 ] [首篇作者: darkarchons ] [ 2014/01/16 19:57:48 EST  ]
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 darkarchons
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标 题: 围棋的故事7.。。。。。。。
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1929-1932年。。。吴清源主要用秀策流。。。。。胜率极高升段极快。。。。。(15胜
1败升4段, 44胜5败1平升5段)因为大部分时间执黑。。。。而当时执黑不用贴目。。
。。所以秀策流基本上一开始就稳稳把握优势。。。所谓贴目,就是要求先行的黑棋给
白棋一点补偿。。。。简单点说。。。。围棋是看谁占的地方多谁就赢。。。。。棋盘
19x19,一共是361个交叉点。。。。那么理论上说。。。。。只要哪方占到其中181个
就算赢了。。。。(赢半个子)但这样对白棋不公平。。。因为黑先走肯定占便宜,所
以要贴给白棋一点。。。。贴多少呢?大家尝试了一段时间,发现贴6目半好像差不多
。。。日本的2目相当于一个子。。。。所以就是贴3又1/4子。。。这样的话,黑棋要
占到184个子才算赢。。。(赢1/4子)而白棋只需要178个就可以了(赢3/4)子。。。
。。数学不好的小盆友这段请自动忽略。。。。。。。

总之就是在那个年代,还没有贴目这个概念。。。。那当然人人都爱用黑棋。。。。也
才有了秀策执黑不败这种神话的可能性。。。。。。但到了5段以后。。。。吴清源执
白开始增多。。。。。意识到了小目布局的局限性。。。。。开始研究新布局。。。。
。。。其实日本围棋自从废除座子制以来。。。发展到那时候。。。又被小目的布局所
束缚。。。。尤其是本因坊的棋手。。。。33这种棋被称为“禁手”,是万万不敢下出
来的。。。。害怕会被清理门户。。。。。。这个33以后还会提到。。。。

吴清源当时还有一个亲密的小伙伴叫木谷实。。。。外号怪童丸。。。。也是吴清源一
段时间内最强的对手。。。。(以后还会提到)两人联手研究新布局。。。。使“小目
”定式所束缚的布局又得到解放,棋手布局的思维方法获得自由,棋盘上的世界变得更
加宽广。。。。。川端康成曾写《新布局的青春》一文,赞扬说:“木谷实、吴清源创
造新布局的时代,不仅是二人盖世天才的青春时代,实际上也是现代围棋的青春时代。
新布局仿佛是一阵春风,她吹燃起青春独具的创造与冒险的热情之火,给棋界带来了绚
丽灿烂的春天。虽然继木谷、吴之后,又涌现出了优秀的后来者,但是可以想象,象新
布局时代的木谷、吴那样旗帜鲜明地振兴棋坛、划时代的一代新人还未光临。当年木谷
、吴创造的新布局,是今日弈苑鲜花盛开的祥端。”

附上一张秀策流的图:其中黑1,3,5的位置称为小目。。。旁边有点的地方称为星位。
。。比小目低一路,2个3路交叉的地方。。。。额。。。。称为33。。。。(好像是废
话)




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标 题: Re: 围棋的故事7.。。。。。。。
发信站: 阿凡提BBS (2014/01/16 20:36:40 EST)


你这个是小说?

 
 
 darkarchons
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发信人: darkarchons (云之舒杀), 版面: Prose
标 题: Re: 围棋的故事7.。。。。。。。
发信站: 阿凡提BBS (2014/01/16 20:49:03 EST)


啊。。。不算是。。。。乱写的。。。。。

【在 kkkrrr (KR) 的大作中提到:】
:
: 你这个是小说?
:..........


 
 
 great2009
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标 题: Re: 围棋的故事7.。。。。。。。
发信站: 阿凡提BBS (2014/01/16 22:32:08 EST)


哪里不准确了?呵呵。。。

【在 kkkrrr (KR) 的大作中提到:】
:
: 你这个是小说?
:..........


 
 
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可能有不准确。。。。呵呵。。。。。

【在 great2009 (华人索赔专家) 的大作中提到:】
:哪里不准确了?呵呵。。。
:..........


 
 
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那个三三写的好可爱~~

【在 darkarchons (云之舒杀) 的大作中提到:】
:1929-1932年。。。吴清源主要用秀策流。。。。。胜率极高升段极快。。。。。(15胜
:1败升4段, 44胜5败1平升5段)因为大部分时间执黑。。。。而当时执黑不用贴目。。
:。。所以秀策流基本上一开始就稳稳把握优势。。。所谓贴目,就是要求先行的黑棋给
:白棋一点补偿。。。。简单点说。。。。围棋是看谁占的地方多谁就赢。。。。。棋盘
:..........


 
 
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标 题: Re: 围棋的故事7.。。。。。。。
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对啊,这一段讲绝代双骄啊,呵呵呵~~

【在 kkkrrr (KR) 的大作中提到:】
:
: 你这个是小说?
:..........


 
 
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不许笑话少帮主。。。。

【在 wazaw (袜子) 的大作中提到:】
:那个三三写的好可爱~~
:..........


 
 
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沙发!

 
 
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我没有看出来。因为KKKRRR问是不是小说,我猜测他看出什么地方不准确了。
我很喜欢你的这个系列。

【在 darkarchons (云之舒杀) 的大作中提到:】
:可能有不准确。。。。呵呵。。。。。
:..........


 
 
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多谢捧场。。。。专家也喜欢围棋么?

【在 great2009 (华人索赔专家) 的大作中提到:】
:我没有看出来。因为KKKRRR问是不是小说,我猜测他看出什么地方不准确了。
:我很喜欢你的这个系列。
:..........


 
 
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